I have been off the internet for a couple of days, but so much has come out. This Syria thing is huge, and a plot to assassinate Obama. And this 2001 tape of Obama that's out? Whittle says it all:
We have, in our storied history, elected Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives and moderates. We have fought, and will continue to fight, pitched battles about how best to govern this nation. But we have never, ever in our 232-year history, elected a president who so completely and openly opposed the idea of limited government, the absolute cornerstone of makes the United States of America unique and exceptional.
If this does not frighten you — regardless of your political affiliation — then you deserve what this man will deliver with both houses of Congress, a filibuster-proof Senate, and, to quote Senator Obama again, “a righteous wind at our backs.”
Posted by: HomefrontSix at October 27, 2008 02:55 PM (4Es1w)
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And I quote, "these are the times that try men's souls." I hope and pray our country comes out as well from these trying times as it has in the past.
Posted by: Ruth H at October 27, 2008 05:45 PM (FAgoX)
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What about FDR?
And yes, I am not frightened of Obama at all, I welcome his Presidency.
Now, for fun, write down your five top predictions of the horrors that I will "deserve." If Obama wins, we'll come back if 3 or 4 years to see how you've done.
Posted by: PensiveGadfly at October 28, 2008 06:09 AM (6VhMY)
I'M A COUGAR AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT
So there's a stock boy at my new job -- I'm gonna peg him at about 18 years old -- who I suspect has a crush on me. Last week he followed me all around the store, gave me a "how you doin'?", and wanted to know how old I am. The look on his face was priceless when I told him. And I figured that would be the end of it, but today he asked me if my band is just a ring or if I'm married.
I've probably been married since he was in middle school.
One of the girls at work says that makes me a cougar.
You know, when I was 16, I worked at a concert arena. I was one of the only females, and I was a good 30 years younger than most people working there. I can't tell you how many times gross 23-year-old roadies would come on to me. I used to get so annoyed at the unwanted attention at work.
And now, shoot, I want to hug this kid.
It has been years since someone has shown an interest in me. It is sincerely the most flattering thing that's happened in a long time. I am just tickled pink that this kid even remotely thought it would be appropriate for me to talk to him. I have been giggling all day.
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I only recently figured out what "cougar" means. I had been puzzled by Saturday Night Live's "Cougar Den" skits.
SNL could use another guest star named Sarah. Lorne Michaels, are you listening?
Posted by: Amritas at October 27, 2008 11:43 AM (+nV09)
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poor kid, he actually probably thought about this long and hard, before approaching you....
You are still far to young to be a cougar, I also think cougars prey on the young, which I am very doubtful is what is occurring.
I think this is a case of being "hawt".
Posted by: AWTM at October 27, 2008 12:12 PM (skcC5)
3"You are still far to young to be a cougar"
Definitely. She'd need a lot of makeup to join that SNL skit.
I also think cougars prey on the young, which I am very doubtful is what is occurring.
That is most certainly not occurring! (Guard Wife's cash register rings again.)
Seriusly, I agree with your assessment of the situation.
Posted by: Amritas at October 27, 2008 12:46 PM (+nV09)
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Ha, well...as flattering as it is, I am certainly not encouraging him. So you're right that I'm not technically a cougar. Heh.
Posted by: Sarah at October 27, 2008 01:34 PM (TWet1)
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No no no,S. You are not a cougar. Cougars go AFTER the younger men. Predatory.
When they come after you it is just cool as hell.
Posted by: MaryIndiana at October 27, 2008 05:04 PM (SRyvm)
SEND YOUR LOVE
Tim's wife, whom we all know as CPT Patti, was admitted to the hospital. They still aren't entirely sure what's wrong with her. I thought maybe some of you old-schoolers could leave some encouraging comments here for her so she can read them when she gets computer access. Hang in there, Patti. We know you're tough!
Posted by: Susan at October 27, 2008 05:36 AM (4aKG6)
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Patti,
You made it through Iraq, and I hope you make it through this. My thoughts are with you and your husband.
Tim,
Thank you for blogging about "the sweetest woman on the planet." Sarah led me to your blog which I followed to the end four years ago. That chapter is over, but your story isn't. May there be many more chapters.
Posted by: Amritas at October 27, 2008 07:40 AM (+nV09)
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Patti - I hope you get well soon!
Tim - hang in there! My thoughts are with both of you.
~Bryan
Posted by: Bryan Strawser at October 27, 2008 02:25 PM (n05cZ)
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Patti ~ Our prayers are with you and your family.
Posted by: HomefrontSix at October 27, 2008 02:57 PM (4Es1w)
JFK ON TAXES
I'm re-reading Larry Elder's The Ten Things You Can't Say In America, and I came across a timely point:
An economics major in college, Reagan further argued that lowering taxes would increase money coming into federal coffers because it kick starts people into working harder, smarter, and with less need to conceal income.
But guess who else felt that way? JFK. That's right, JFK. In the December 24, 1962, issue of US News and World Report, "Kennedy's Latest Word on Tax Cuts, Plans for Business," in urging a tax cut, Kennedy said that "it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low -- and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut rates now.
"The experience of a number of European countries has borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reductions in 1954 has borne this out, and the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget -- and tax reduction can pave the way to full employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budgetary deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous expanding economy which will bring a budgetary surplus."
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Not at all, especially if you look at how aggressive Kennedy was in his views on national defense. It frustrates me to hear people compare today's liberals with JFK because the worldviews seem quite different.
Posted by: Nicole at October 26, 2008 11:11 AM (xPxyx)
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Yeah, there's a big difference. Kennedy was not a socialist.
Posted by: Emily at October 27, 2008 07:56 AM (jAos7)
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Sarah, I've got that book too, although I was nervous every time I read it on the Commuter Rail into Boston. Very interesting, very well-written.
An interesting aside -- an old college roomie was visiting me from NYC. She saw the book, with its "Special Discount bin" sticker (bought it at a university bookstore), and immediately said, "No wonder his book can only sell for two dollars, serves him right and I hope he starves to death." Ahhhh, liberal care and compassion . . .
Posted by: Lissa at October 27, 2008 08:02 AM (fHdl7)
What happens when the voter in the exact middle of the earnings spectrum receives more in benefits from Washington than he pays in taxes? Economists Allan Meltzer and Scott Richard posed this question 27 years ago. We may soon enough know the answer.
Barack Obama is offering voters strong incentives to support higher taxes and bigger government. This could be the magic income-redistribution formula Democrats have long sought.
Sen. Obama is promising $500 and $1,000 gift-wrapped packets of money in the form of refundable tax credits. These will shift the tax demographics to the tipping point where half of all voters will receive a cash windfall from Washington and an overwhelming majority will gain from tax hikes and more government spending.
In 2006, the latest year for which we have Census data, 220 million Americans were eligible to vote and 89 million -- 40% -- paid no income taxes. According to the Tax Policy Center (a joint venture of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute), this will jump to 49% when Mr. Obama's cash credits remove 18 million more voters from the tax rolls. What's more, there are an additional 24 million taxpayers (11% of the electorate) who will pay a minimal amount of income taxes -- less than 5% of their income and less than $1,000 annually.
In all, three out of every five voters will pay little or nothing in income taxes under Mr. Obama's plans and gain when taxes rise on the 40% that already pays 95% of income tax revenues.
And we have Barney Frank saying outrageous things like this:
I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money.
I put up a quote from Neal Boortz's piece To the Undecided Voter about how democracy fails when the scales tip and people can vote themselves more money. Andy McCarthy received a similar quote from this blog's namesake, Robert Heinlein.
A perfect democracy, a "warm body" democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction.... [O]nce a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader — the barbarians enter Rome.
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I've always thought that Starship Troopers had a good plan for government...
Posted by: airforcewife at October 24, 2008 09:02 AM (mIbWn)
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Will -- According to reality, social security, Medicare, and education each outspend defense spending.
Posted by: Sarah at October 25, 2008 04:18 AM (TWet1)
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I thought the movie was a horrible parody of the book--maybe this is what you are thinking of.
Heinlein's other contemporary writings made it pretty clear that he was not making a mockery of the ideas in the novel. Later in life, he did become very liberal; in his memoirs, Isaac Asimov attributed the change to Heinlein's second wife.
In light of how shackled our "merchant class" has become (do you know any small business owners?), the "nation of merchants" line is a pretty funny one.
Sig
Posted by: Sig at October 25, 2008 06:26 AM (QBXJR)
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Will wrote:
Honestly airfocemilf? Honestly? You realize that Starship Troopers was a satire of facism... right..?
Nope. Heinlein wrote it mainly to write a story about the PBI, the Poor Bloody Infantry. Maybe it would help to read the book and essays he wrote about it.
Though honestly, I think the government in the novel is practical only via author fiat. It is a bit obvious from the origin given for the Federation in the novel.
The movie was written by people who didn't bother to let what was actually in the novel get in the way of their preconceived notions. Hey, like you!
Posted by: Patrick Chester at October 25, 2008 07:52 AM (MOvul)
Interesting postscript to the cheeseburger story. Tonight when the webcam pops up, there's my husband, ceremoniously eating a cheeseburger on camera. With this devilish, I'll-show-you look on his face. We both cracked up.
I love how he can turn something irritating into something endearing.
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I don't think anyone expects unbiased truth from the media, except the media themselves, who claim to be providing it. It is the profound dishonesty that offends so many.
You are unlikely to get a beer with Mr. Card, sorry to say, as I'm 99% sure he is LDS. =)
Posted by: Sig at October 22, 2008 03:38 AM (n369L)
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Oh yeah, crap Sig...I did know that.
OK, a milkshake
Posted by: Sarah at October 22, 2008 03:56 AM (TWet1)
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trr is the poster child for the Democrat Party, expect nothing and care even less about the consequences. Hell, considering their track record of failed policies, (the top ten poorest cities are run by DÂ’s), it all makes perfect sense.
Also, thanks for enlightening me on the reasoning behind ObamaÂ’s support. Just take away reason and accountability from the average personÂ…and youÂ’ll find some of that Hope/Change.
You couldnÂ’t be a more perfect example of why IÂ’m a Republican. Thanks.
And who you trying to kid, you donÂ’t drink beer, you reek of w(h)ine.
Posted by: tim at October 22, 2008 08:41 AM (nno0f)
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Hi Tim,
Tasty personal attack! I highly doubt that I'm the Democratic posterchild. Truthfully I don't feel that my beliefs are all that different from the average Republican's. I'm all for gun rights and pro life, and whatever talking points you want to throw out there. Having said that, I'd like to address your comment about "expecting nothing" and "not caring about the consequences." I'll stand by not expecting much from a Presidential candidate for a number of reasons. First, the Presidents is in Washington and I live in middle America. If I want change in middle America I should be doing something about it here, not expecting Washington to do it for me. While I should be able to trust that positivity will come (and let's be honest, it did from Clinton, it did from Bush, it will from McCain or Obama) I don't expect the person in the chair to set the tone for the direction my life and affairs will take. So, in essence, I think I take alot of responsibility for my own consequences and that which I have influence over.
This is what I don't get - the bile on both sides and the willingness to attach so vehemently. Right now, I think its bad for either party to control all 3 branches. I think this country requires both viewpoints, as neither is all the way correct. The Republican agenda generally has alot of good things going for it and a few black marks (in my opinion) that I can't square with. Having said that, often I vote D based on what I expect the candidate to actually accomplish as opposed to the ideology involved. Different strokes for different folks. I can foresee a day where the issue that I support the D's for to be "handled" to my satisfaction and I might very well vote R with a clear conscience.
Oh, and you're right, I'm not a beer drinker, or even a w(h)ine drinker as you suggested. I can't handle much more than a diet caffeine-free Dr. Pepper being such a weak-willed lefty and all. (Insert jokey emoticon here)
- trr
Posted by: Sarah's Pinko Commie Friend at October 22, 2008 11:48 AM (n5dnp)
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“I'm all for gun rights and pro life, and whatever talking points you want to throw out there.”
So to you, the 2nd Amendment and the rights of an unborn child are merely “talking points”? I’d say they are just a tad more than that and evidently above your pay grade.
“I'll stand by not expecting much from a Presidential candidate for a number of reasons.
First, the Presidents is in Washington and I live in middle America. If I want change in middle America I should be doing something about it here, not expecting Washington to do it for me.”
So you can’t comprehend that what happens in Washington actually affects and has the potential to change your life ALL the way over in “Middle America”?
So when Pres. Obama, (no, I’m not conceding), in Washington, raising taxes, and he will, you won’t be affected ‘cause your WAY over there?
While I commend you on you attitude of “not expecting Washington to do it for me” I don’t see the correlation to your (incorrect) theory that what happens in Washington stays in Washington. Can I assume you’ve heard of the Supreme Court? By they way, the next president will probably appoint 4/5 new justices. Though don’t worry, what they decide won’t affect anything where you live.
“While I should be able to trust that positivity will come (and let's be honest, it did from Clinton, it did from Bush, it will from McCain or Obama)”
It would depend on what you mean by positivity and since thatÂ’s seems to be such a broad term, IÂ’ll let that one go.
“I don't expect the person in the chair to set the tone for the direction my life and affairs will take.”
I donÂ’t know anybody who believes otherwise. So again, youÂ’re mixing apples and oranges.
“So, in essence, I think I take alot of responsibility for my own consequences and that which I have influence over.”
Tell me again why youÂ’re a DemocratÂ…
“This is what I don't get - the bile on both sides and the willingness to attach so vehemently.”
I donÂ’t have a problem with our politicians being passionate about the views and principles they hold. Hell, I want them to be. Their jobs involve serious issues that impact us all, well not you apparently, and have the potential to impact us in various ways.
But lying, conniving and being untruthful are unacceptable, yes. And IÂ’m not a fan of nuanced, double speak that is favored by lawyers like the ObamaÂ’s , ClintonÂ’s and the EdwardÂ’s.
“The Republican agenda generally has alot of good things going for it and a few black marks (in my opinion) that I can't square with.”
And so youÂ’re a Democrat becauseÂ…
“Having said that, often I vote D based on what I expect the candidate to actually accomplish as opposed to the ideology involved.”
I donÂ’t see how a candidate will meet you expectations without relying on their ideology, that being their beliefs and ideas? What else is left, Hope/Change?
Though I guess since you don’t expect “much from a Presidential candidate” I can see why you’re a Democrat and why no doubt you’ll be voting for Obama. ‘The Democrat Party –expect nothing, ‘cause that’s what we deliver.’
“I can foresee a day where the issue that I support the D's for to be "handled" to my satisfaction and I might very well vote R with a clear conscience.”
WTF are you trying to say?
You need to figure out what you believe in and pick a party that honors those beliefs. To say youÂ’re confused about which party represents your views is a major understatement. It doesnÂ’t make you a bad person, IÂ’m just sayinÂ’Â…
Posted by: tim at October 23, 2008 07:15 AM (nno0f)
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Ok, here we go.
"So to you, the 2nd Amendment and the rights of an unborn child are merely “talking points”? I’d say they are just a tad more than that and evidently above your pay grade."
Comments about my pay grade notwithstanding my point was that I don't blindly commit to either party's ideology. some things I think the dems have "right" some things the Republicans have better.
"So you can’t comprehend that what happens in Washington actually affects and has the potential to change your life ALL the way over in “Middle America”?"
I can comprehend it just fine, its just that the only influence I have is a voice every few years. Therefore I don't sweat it, I deal with what comes and take responsibility for what I can control.
"Tell me again why you’re a Democrat…"
Never claimed to be one. Often I vote Dem. Sometimes I might not. I vote the candidate and what I expect them to be able to control as neither party has it all right and I don't feel obligated to throw in my lot with either.
"I don’t see how a candidate will meet you expectations without relying on their ideology, that being their beliefs and ideas? What else is left, Hope/Change?"
My expectations are don't embarass me, don't get me killed, and leave it better than you found it. Their ideology certainly matters, but doesnt set the tone since there are other branches of government that influence what legislation is passed. The president is one cog in the wheel - important to be sure, but not he end-all and be all. I don't want either party in control of all 3 branches, therefore sometimes I like the pres to be a Dem and sometimes not.
"WTF are you trying to say?"
What I mean is that I support the Dem agenda when it comes to ending abstinence-only sex-ed, gay rights, a diminshing of pandering to the religious right, etc. That's how I feel and I respect that others feel differently. There are some things that I expect to be addressed as time goes on. The Dems seem to be more about enforcing a perceived equality. On certain issues, I think we still need that approach. On others (affirmative action for instance) I think we need to rely on the fact that opportunity does exist rather than trying to force it.
"You need to figure out what you believe in and pick a party that honors those beliefs. To say you’re confused about which party represents your views is a major understatement. It doesn’t make you a bad person, I’m just sayin’…"
I know exactly what I believe in. And I'm not confised about which party represents my views because neither does a very good job of representing me. I will say this - the politics of the last few years have promoted the idea that each person should be able to be summed up by adherance to one party's ideology or the other. I just disagree with this. Some Democratic policies make me very uncomfortable.
redistribution of wealth for instance - I run a business and I want to keep my money! How about socialized health care? I really don't think that's going to solve anything. But as I said before there are a few things that the Republican ticket promotes that I don't buy into. Ergo, I may be represented by either party or neither, but don't try to sell me that I have to cast my lot with one other. I think its rather dismissive to judge someone as confused because they don't feel that their beliefs align perfectly with a given party.
At any rate, I appreciate your response. I realize that I probably don't hold that same values as many of Sarah's loyal readers. Having said that, I can admit that the views expressed on this blog have helped to shape my own beliefs, and I hope that the "other side of the aisle" can see the why there are differing opinions.
- trr
Posted by: Sarah's pinko commie firend at October 23, 2008 01:06 PM (xAF2d)
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*eating popcorn*
I come here today to watch the intellectual volley between Tim, and the Pinko
Posted by: awtm at October 24, 2008 06:00 AM (skcC5)
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Well, I donÂ’t want to disappoint awtmÂ…the popcorn smells greatÂ…
“I don't blindly commit to either party's ideology.”
DidnÂ’t expect you too, I donÂ’t. I suspect most people donÂ’t.
“…, its just that the only influence I have is a voice every few years. Therefore I don't sweat it, I deal with what comes and take responsibility for what I can control.”
No, you only have one vote. You can influence people with your words and actions and do I dare say, you can join a party and/or an organization(s) (NFIB, US Chamber of Commerce, etc.) that best represents your views and values.
“Often I vote Dem.”
That would make a Dem.
“What I mean is that I support the Dem agenda when it comes to ending abstinence-only sex-ed, gay rights, a diminshing of pandering to the religious right, etc.”
Sex-Ed in the late 70Â’s was NOT abstinence-only sex-ed so I doubt it is now.
Gays donÂ’t have rights? Really, didnÂ’t realize that. Is that so important to you, are you gay? And IÂ’m not asking derogatorily, I donÂ’t care what you or anybody does in their bedroom.
What wrong with the religious right? IÂ’m an atheist and I donÂ’t have a problem with the RÂ’s in regard to this. I hardly think they pander.
“The Dems seem to be more about enforcing a perceived equality.”
Now we’re getting to the meat of it all. The Dem’s want to take from the ‘Have’s’, people that have earned what they have, and give it to the ‘Have Nots’, people who are were they are because of no fault but their own. This is the fundamental difference between the Party’s.
“I know exactly what I believe in. And I'm not confised about which party represents my views because neither does a very good job of representing me. I will say this - the politics of the last few years have promoted the idea that each person should be able to be summed up by adherance to one party's ideology or the other. I just disagree with this.”
Most people are able to prioritize things that matter the most to them and figure out which party best represents them the best. Me, IÂ’m for national security, low taxes, less government, this are the things that make me an R. IÂ’ve always viewed people such as yourself as a lot like bisexuals- make up your freakinÂ’ mind already. If you donÂ’t belong to party how do you expect to have a voice? Last time I checked, Independents didnÂ’t have a convention, nor a candidate running for POTUS. YouÂ’re in the creek without a paddle or a chance.
“Some Democratic policies make me very uncomfortable. redistribution of wealth for instance - I run a business and I want to keep my money! How about socialized health care? I really don't think that's going to solve anything.”
Agreed, IÂ’m a small business owner myself. So youÂ’ll be voting for McCain then right? I would think this would take precedent over gay rights, sex ed. and such.
“Ergo, I may be represented by either party or neither, but don't try to sell me that I have to cast my lot with one other. I think its rather dismissive to judge someone as confused because they don't feel that their beliefs align perfectly with a given party.”
Again, most people arenÂ’t in lock step with their respective party. But most people pick a party based on what is important to them, what BEST represents their values and beliefs. I apologize for my dismissiveness and it seems we have more in common than not.
Anyways good chatting with yaÂ’. Sorry if my answers were too brief, time is short today and there was much, probably too much, to cover in this exchange.
Posted by: tim at October 24, 2008 11:24 AM (nno0f)
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“As far as only having one vote, well I don't even really get that with the electoral college and all.”
Ah come on man, certainly you understand how it works, how individuals votes actually count toward the Elec. Coll., right?
“As far as national security, low taxes and small governmentare concerned I'm in agreement. I don't buy into the fact that the president is responsible for natsec”
You really donÂ’t understand what a president can and cannot do, do you?
How’s this –
“I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems. [snip] I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons. I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material. And I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBM’s off hair-trigger alert.”
see here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE
ThatÂ’s from the man you are going to vote for. Sleep tight.
“Nevertheless I think we made the decision and we have to take the responsibility to see it through no matter how long it takes.”
Again, your man Obama wants TO GET OUT!!! Gezz, dude why the eff are you voting for a guy who is totally at odds with what you seem to value the most? Please watch the video, itsÂ’ in his own words!
And I AM trying to influence you and anyone who is reading this. Get the facts, educate yourself, donÂ’t take my word for it. Vote for the person who best represents what you determine is most important to you. More importantly donÂ’t cling to flowery words and just blindly go along with the crowd.
IÂ’m going now and bang my head against the wall, maybe then IÂ’ll understand the Hope/Change thing you people are grasping at. ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
Posted by: tim at October 25, 2008 09:28 AM (nno0f)
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trr,
Chew on this-
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) of Fannie-gate fame, announced yesterday that he wants a 25% cut in military spending.
AND (same article)-
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nationÂ’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.
Read it all-
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/it-has-begun-dem-leaders-call-for-25.html#comments
Yup, don't know why I'm a R, nope can't figure it out...
Hope/Change
Posted by: tim at October 25, 2008 09:43 AM (nno0f)
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"Ah come on man, certainly you understand how it works, how individuals votes actually count toward the Elec. Coll., right?"
Yup, I get it, its more the issue that some folks believe in one-man-one-vote and that's not really how it works. I live in Illinois - my vote is pretty much unimportant as my state's E-votes are going to the Dems.
"You really don’t understand what a president can and cannot do, do you?"
I get it plenty - what I'm saying is that the president isn't doing the work. Budgets and all that don't worry me - like most of us the people who are tasked with taking care of us will make do with what they have. Also, the president may have an agenda, but there are 2 other branches of government to temper that agenda.
I sleep fine - our military is the most dominant on the planet. Nuclear threats don't worry me - its individuals that we have to worry about these days. This is more of a personal thing now - law enforcement and men-on-the-ground less than missle systems and what not. Are you really still worried about negotiating with Russia?
I get that he wants the pull-out and I'm not necessarily in favor of that. But don't make the mistake of presuming that you understand what I value most.
Once again the "you people" commentary is what I object to, as is your assertions that someone should pick a side and stick with it. That's the problem with the politics of the last 8 years (of which both sides are guilty). I refuse to buy into "you're either with us or against us" - look, I log into this site because Sarah is an old-school friend of mine. I don't dismiss all Republicans with judgmental commentary and empty generalizations. I genuinely feel that I understand the Republican agenda much more than I used to, and I agree with some of it. I don't buy into hope/change either. Its kinda why I've bothered to remain in this discussion - I don't think that all Republicans are war-mongering rednecks or any other silly stereotype you want to apply, nor do I think its fair to apply to the Dems (even though once again I don't consider myself a Dem).
If it had come down to say Huckabee and Clinton I would've voted Huckabee. If it had been Romney/Clinton I'd have had quite a quandry as I really don't believe in either. Ergo, I vote the sitution and not the party. Right now McCain doesn't fill me with confidence. I think he has no opinion of his own, and he's allowing a campaign to determine his future. Now before you roast me on that, Obama and any other candidate will do the same thing. I just dont feel that McCain is a guy I can trust to do the job - I trust Obama to makes speeches and deal on his feet than McCain. I trust him to make decisions better than McCain and what I have to go on is their campaigns at this point. McCain has run a scattered, pandering campaign. That's my take. I believe that Obama is the lesser of two evils at this point. Not necessarilty a desirable candidate, but I only get 2 choices.
I'd love to see Obama come in as president and see the house or senate go back to the Republicans. I would think we'd get a little more moderate decision making on the issues that you and I are concerned about (taxes, economy, security, etc).
time to put this discussion to bed yet?
Posted by: sarah's pinko commie friend at October 25, 2008 09:48 AM (C8APQ)
PRICE GOUGING
There's a story going on here in town that I simply do not understand. I thought maybe you could help me see what I'm missing.
A gas station owner has been fined $5000 for price gouging during hurricane season last month, when all the gas jumped. Most gas in town went to around $4.00, but apparently this guy was charging $5.50. And apparently he was the only one who raised his this high.
I don't see why this is illegal.
Gas is the most advertised commodity we buy. Ask anyone to tell you the price of milk or detergent, and I bet few people could do it. But everyone knows what gas costs. It's advertised on every street corner. If someone sold gas that day for $5.50, I would've had so much sticker shock that I would've kept going to the next gas station. Problem solved. If I did buy it there, well, I'm a sucker if it was $1.50 cheaper down the street.
But here's what I don't get. Let's say I own a store. I decide I want to sell a two-liter of Pepsi for $45. Is that illegal? It's stupid, but is it illegal? Is it price gouging? Is it only price gouging if there's a natural disaster?
I don't understand why this gas station owner couldn't set the price of gas at whatever he felt like. Is it because other gas stations would see his price and raise theirs? I know gas stations have price wars. Is there some regulating body that decides a price range for gas on any given day?
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I don't know where you live. I'll say that here in Houston (aka ground zero for Hurricane Ike) that many gas stations only had enough gas for a few hours during the day, and many couldn't reopen either because of power, lack of gas in Houston, or some other hurricane related problem. Gas, when evacuating and in a distaster area is essential. Water and food as well. If I were evacuating and needed gas but had to pay $6/gallon for it because said gas station was on an evac route, I'd be pissed. With as long as it takes to get out of town during an evacuation and as overly populated as the roads are, going to the next gas station sometimes isn't an option. Many times they close so quickly that you don't know when the next opportunity will present itself. I am a firm believer in supply and demand, and market value of commodities. However, during an emergency situation essential items like food, water, gas, ice should be regulated. Otherwise we'd be paying $50 for a bag of ice, and much more than $5.50 for a gallon of gas. Yes, there is a regulating body during these crises: the national government. On a day to day basis in non-emergencies, the international market in combination with OPEC. Or at least that's what I was taught.
Posted by: Sara at October 21, 2008 01:44 PM (lS9hT)
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Sara, I absolutely disagree with you on this. Read Thomas Sowell's writings on price "gouging", starting here. The government should never regulate these things; the market should. And the market does...that's why prices go up.
My city was nowhere near an evacuation route. There was only one gas station that raised its prices like this.
Posted by: Sarah at October 21, 2008 02:05 PM (TWet1)
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If you believe in the invisible hand in all absoluteness, then I think you're living in the wrong era. That ship has sailed long ago. Agree with it or not, but the government has had it's hand in the economy for a while now. I surely hope you never have to evacuate, because I believe you'd be in for quite a surprise. Perhaps you have before and you were the only person who didn't complain over the situation. And normally there are only one or two gas stations that raise their prices like that. But you truely think that in emergency situations the government should do nothing to aide people? I guess I am getting the impression from you that any government institution that helps people in crisis situations is unnecessary and frivilous. Or the government both state and national. Am I misjudging you? And I'm not trying to be rude either, so I apologize if my tone is condecending or rude.
Posted by: Sara at October 21, 2008 02:25 PM (lS9hT)
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Ok I just finished reading the article and his definitions of supply and demand make me say "well duh" and that's why I basically said above that crisis situation warrants a different economy. Again, if FEMA had used their PODs to charge people for MREs, water, and ice then people would have been paying far higher a price than normal. I guess where our difference lies is that I believe emergencies demand help and damn the free hand of the market! Sowell's example of the hotels is a mute point; if all the hotels started charging that price then that's not price gouging. Normally, price gouging would be when all the hotels remain around the same price, say a $10-20/night increase, but one decides their rooms are worth $109 or $200 or however much. Its not just an idea of things being in high demand and shorter supply. Its the total extreme of that theory, in my opinion. When you have neccessary commodities such as food, rooms,and gas there is INFINITE demand and short supply. We'd see localized hyperinflation. That's why I believe in government regulation in emergency situations; they're anomolies to the day to day laws of economic supply and demand.
Posted by: Sara at October 21, 2008 02:34 PM (lS9hT)
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Tammi -- But that is the whole point of supply and demand. If it hadn't been worth their while, those people wouldn't have brought you wood and you would've had NO wood instead of EXPENSIVE wood. The people who were selling that wood, they were spending their own time and gas money to get it down there to sell it. They deserved to make a profit, and they were providing a good that people in the area needed and wouldn't have had if someone hadn't brought it down. That's how the market works in this situation. There's no way a guy would drive from TN to sell wood at the regular non-hurricane price. So y'all woulda been woodless.
OK, but no one is talking about this specific story that I specifically blogged about. Why did ONE gas station raise their prices and have to be punished? Is there a price you're not legally allowed to sell goods at? And why?
And for god's sake, we were NOWHERE near a hurricane. We just felt the effects of the entire nation raising prices. There was no evacuation, no shortage, no frantic run on gas.
Posted by: Sarah at October 22, 2008 02:54 AM (TWet1)
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Sara -- Um, that article was specifically written about a crisis situation during a hurricane. Did we even read the same thing? I better check the link.
I find this comments section kinda funny, because I am used to arguing over my opinion and stuff, but this is actual economic fact. When there is more demand for things, as when people need to stock up, and the supply is low or dwindles, prices go up. And until someone else provides more supply or the crisis abates, prices are high.
If the government steps in and forces some guy to sell wood at non-crisis prices, he may as well evacuate with the masses instead of sticking around to provide that wood. It's not worth his time and effort. And no one will drive down from TN to do it either. The government will only succeed in screwing up the system if they force people to sell their goods at artificially deflated prices because of some theory of "niceness."
And "the invisible hand" is not something that can get outdated. Economics doesn't change based on what year it is.
Posted by: Sarah at October 22, 2008 03:02 AM (TWet1)
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I'm not going to say the same thing over and over again. Yes, we did read the same article and he wrote about such general economic theories that I found most of it written for those who understand only the very basics of supply and demand. I felt he didn't introduce an original argument, and I disagree with his "opinion" of what price gouging is.
I have no idea why one gas station would raise their prices like that. If its non-emergency then I can concede I agree with you. Price gouging doesn't exist without limited supply and high demand, in my opinion. That gas station probably lost money in the long run because I'd assume most people, unless on the very last drop of gas, probably kept driving. I don't understand how that could be illegal when his likely decrease in profit was punishment enough.
And you're wrong about economics not changing with the year. Where did you study economics? Since economics is always theory, though based in math, people are always trying to improve on it. The invisible hand by itself with no government intervention is part of the 1700's-1800's. During the 1900's you see government putting its hand in economics a bit more, specifically come the 1930' and 40's. It all depends on what kind of market the economists are referring to, domestic policies or international, or definitely developmental economics. In fact, developmental economics changes a lot by each decade and affects our way of thinking about our own domestic policies. It is ridiculous to me that someone would say that the government doesn't have a hand in economics, because if you take the invisible hand theory word by word, that's its whole basis: absolutely no government intervention and I can promise you we've progressed past that. Look up the definitions of market failures and you'll see why. That doesn't mean the invisible hand doesn't still play a part in our economics today, just not in the way smith had intended when he wrote the wealth of nations.
Posted by: Sara at October 22, 2008 03:44 AM (lS9hT)
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I never said the govt *doesn't* have a hand in economics; I say it *shouldn't.* Big difference. Yes, the govt has started intervening more and more over the last century and now it has its hands in everything. I think that's a bad thing. I also don't think it changes the basic fundamentals of economic theory. It just changes which application is in vogue and puts more variables in the system.
This was never meant to be a discussion of what should happen to prices during an emergency. But it is now, and we're not going to agree on that issue. But thanks for the second paragraph addressing this specific example. I don't understand why this gas station is being fined, if, and you assume like I do, they probably lost money in the long run.
Posted by: Sarah at October 22, 2008 04:04 AM (TWet1)
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I can understand capping prices (though at higher than normal rates) on necessities (only) during a crisis. But I definitely agree with Sarah on the gas station in her town; the guy's profit loss should probably be punishment enough, and incentive enough for him to lower the price as soon as he realized he was losing all his customers to the competition.
I also agree with Sarah on the economics thing. We may have "progressed past that" in that the government now does have a hand in virtually everything, but that doesn't mean that that kind of "progress" is necessarily a good thing.
Sure economics is always theory, but I tend to think that there is some kind of objective truth to it. Like physics and the law of gravity, I believe there is, to at least some extent, a basic law of incentives and supply-demand that is unchanging, no matter what year it is. These rules are based upon the values of the people that the market is made up of (see the rise of "green jobs" and "eco-friendly" products in the last few years), but the basic underlying law is still there.
I, and many other people, still believe that "regressing" to a basic free market - utilizing the law of supply and demand, and various incentives to increase productivity (and not those that increase laziness, as long-term welfare and other such entitlements do) would be a good thing, whether or not it's been done before, even 200-300 years ago. Just because something is "old" does not necessarily mean that it's "bad".
I will grant you that there needs to be some regulation - minor amounts of regulation - in order to ensure that people and companies are not breaking the law, but other than that, I think that the country - and elsewhere - would see tremendous growth. A lower rate of taxation on businesses would also contribute to (a) many new businesses, and (b) the growth and expansion of current businesses, leading to greater productivity, increased employment, etc., and even at a low tax rate, would likely eventually lead to increased tax revenue over time.
Posted by: Emily at October 22, 2008 11:03 AM (jAos7)
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So I never really comment on the wife's blog out of principle. The most ignorant tripe every written is usually done in blog comments section so I try to avoid it. This one isn't so bad so I will put my two cents in since I have some academic background in the subject.
During an emergency, like a hurricane, the supply of basic necessities like water, food and medicine will be cutoff temporarily. No trucks coming in due to all the damage to roads, downed power lines etc. So the honest person that cares about their community/humanity should want two things:
1. The available supply of goods should be used sparingly. We use just enough so everybody can have some.
2. People should be working overtime to get those needed goods to the disaster areas as fast as possible.
The quickest way for both of these things to happen is to have ridiculous high prices on the small amount that is available. If the local gas station had only 20 5 gallon jugs of water left, and they were still charging $1, I might be tempted to buy all of it to store in my basement for my family. Do I need all 20? Probably not but I might just fill my trunk just in case.
What would happen to the poor sap who came in behind me and gets no water? Sucks to be him. We could have the police/militia groups roam hurricane areas sack beating people filling their trunks with all the water...or we could let the poor bastard who runs the gas station charge me $100 a gallon and I sure as hell won't buy all 20 jugs of water. I'll probably just get one or two which would keep me, the wife and dog alive for a few days until essential services are restored.
That $100 a gallon price will definitely motivate the Culligan man two counties north who still has plenty of water. He'll pay overtime to every driver he has to ship that water as fast as he can. He'll make a buck but the supply of water will get to the people who desperately need it.
This is, as the lovely wife says, basic economics. Prices are signals. They can signal people to conserve as well as signal suppliers to provide. In reality, populist minded hoople heads are likely to burn down the gas station who was smart enough to make a buck AND ensure that his product was fairly distributed during a time of crisis. He would be a hero but he'd probably get beaten like Reginald Denny. In this specific example, the capitalist is the storyÂ’s hero. We could try to enforce fairness but Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao tried that and said it didnÂ’t work out so well.
Posted by: The Husband at October 22, 2008 11:51 AM (TWet1)
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^^^and this makes sense to me as well.
I suppose that if a vendor raised the price of a product to such an extent that no one would/could buy it, then (a) people would go elsewhere to look for it, and (b) said vendor would not benefit from setting the price so high, and thereby, if he/she is reasonable, will lower it until people would/could pay for it.
Posted by: Emily at October 22, 2008 01:42 PM (jAos7)
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I can't say I have a problem with price-gouging during emergencies regulations. Say you lived in Galveston and Hurricane Ike is headed your way, but for whatever reason you don't have sufficient funds to buy enough gas at $5.50/gallon to get you out of harm's way. Are you just supposed to stay where you are and risk death? I have no problem with limiting purchase amounts (like the gallons of water issue: many times I have see retailers have sales with the caveat of "Limit X per customer"). For some in that situation - not being able to afford the price - that could be a death sentence. There were those foolish enough to stay behind, regardless of their ability to leave, and they have yet to be found, or their bodies were discovered in flatten homes.
Posted by: Miss Ladybug at October 22, 2008 04:08 PM (zoxao)
1And I'm totally going to be Sarah Palin for Halloween.
You must post photos of yourself in costume!
Posted by: Amritas at October 21, 2008 09:38 AM (+nV09)
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I feel the same way about all the multiple NRA mailings...
Posted by: Green at October 21, 2008 12:22 PM (6Co0L)
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I got an email asking for volunteers to either go to a swing state to get out the vote or make phone calls from home following a pre-written script to undecided voters.
If I can talk my hubby into being a moose for halloween, I'm going as Sarah in hunters camo.
Posted by: Pamela at October 21, 2008 12:45 PM (9Twxi)
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Ditto,ditto and ditto. I actually yelled at the
latest envelope "STOP IT! Spend the money on TV
ads! Not to mail me more things!"
I need to go shoot some more money at him..right
now..
Posted by: MaryIndiana at October 22, 2008 08:44 AM (SRyvm)
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Hey, that was my idea. I was going to be Sarah Palin for Halloween.
I already get funny looks downtown whenever I wear my glasses to work.
But I have to admit, I am tempted to send just enough money (according to their email) for them to send me a lapel pin. Hmmm... Only thing is, I'm not sure sending more money would actually do any good.
Posted by: Emily at October 22, 2008 10:35 AM (jAos7)
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I've gotten two mailings with that photo. And more letter-sized mail than I can count. What they don't know is that I don't have the spending money to contribute, so all those mailings, as you noted, are a waste of what money they already have...
Posted by: Miss Ladybug at October 22, 2008 04:12 PM (zoxao)
STIMULUS
Oh yeah, are we getting another stimulus check? Really?
Can we refuse it?
Because last week my husband bought me a Garmin for my birthday, I bought a handgun, I dropped some money buying clothes for my new job, and I had to pay for a fertility treatment.
We're doing a plenty good job of spending our own money right now. I don't need to spend someone else's.
Stop taking money from a taxpayer and handing it to me to spend. Cuz I'd just buy a Glock.
Oh wait, on second thought...free Glock. Hand it over.
Some rich guy is out his hard-earned money and I get a free gun. Sounds totally fair to me, right? Sigh.
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What I heard is that Bush was going to ignore the stimulus check idea, and that if it's going to go through, it's going to have to wait until after the election (from some radio show I was listening to; I don't remember which one). Has there been news to the contrary?
Posted by: Emily at October 21, 2008 07:13 AM (jAos7)
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1) Yes. You can refuse it.
2) Doesn't ALL your income come from taxpayers?
Posted by: FredO at October 21, 2008 08:12 AM (1C65h)
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FredO -- My own income doesn't come from taxpayers, and my husband pays federal taxes too. Don't get smart with me.
Posted by: Sarah at October 21, 2008 08:30 AM (TWet1)
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FredO:
Sarah's husband is paid for doing a job, he doesn't just lay around the house and have a check come every month. There is a difference between being given a check and being PAID!
Posted by: Ruth H at October 21, 2008 10:07 AM (wWMQq)
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Well crap. It looks like FredO is one of those, "My taxes pay your salary!" hysterical people.
Well, my taxes pay Barack Obama's salary. And he doesn't even go to work when our financial system is melting down.
Posted by: airforcewife at October 21, 2008 11:51 AM (mIbWn)
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You could buy a Glock for one of those 'rich people', say ... me. That would even it up ;-)
And if I had a better say in how the dollars I pay in taxes were to be spent, I would take away Obama's paycheck and give it that money instead to soldiers like your husband, Sarah. His job is far more valuable to me!
Posted by: Barb at October 22, 2008 04:25 AM (T4MbB)
GETTING THE AVERAGE
Some Soldier's Mom left a comment at AWTM, and this part caught my eye:
... and you just want to ask Barrack Obama, "Since when did it become acceptable in America to punish hard working people by taking their money and giving it to others because you think that's "fairer"? and that you can't imagine how he justifies giving tax "refunds" to people who don't even pay taxes! You see this as taking your "A" grades in school and giving them to people who got lower grades to make it "fairer".
Did I ever tell you that this is exactly what happened to me in France? I took a literature class, and we had some paper to write. After they were all turned in, the teacher reprimanded the class for missing the point of the paper. She explained what a good paper would've looked like. I felt pretty sure that what I had written was close to what she was looking for, so I was in the catbird seat. But then she laid this kicker on us: She had decided to go ahead and average all the grades and give us the average. I ended up with a C.
I wish I were making that story up. Or I wish it had been like a trick on the teacher's part, a way to teach us a lesson. Nope. It was real and the grade stuck.
I had done the assignment correctly and I got a C. Someone else who had turned in an F was feeling pretty awesome at this point.
I don't see how that's even remotely fair.
And Some Soldier's Mom is right that it's a good analogy for the taxes.
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However would someone get the idea that Sarah or the people who comment on her site are idle rich with big inheritances?
Do I come off like that? How funny. I WISH I had inherited some money instead of a MIL that sucks my bank account dry!
And how is taking money someone didn't earn through the government any different from inheriting money one didn't earn? Except, you know, for the will of the person who actually DID earn the money. If that matters to anyone. And it does matter to me - it's kind of the difference between "gift" and "theft".
I still think Obama's tax plan sucks donkey ass. I want to earn my own way, not steal it from someone else.
Posted by: airforcewife at October 20, 2008 06:27 PM (mIbWn)
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"Does anyone really believe that a teacher/business owner/tradesman/police officer/paramedic, (or any number of other similarly paid jobs) are working less hard then some million dollar a year earning CEO or 'investor'..." - Will
Well, ideally, yes. No, it doesn't always work that way, and yes, some ridiculous CEOs ruin their companies and walk away with "golden parachutes", but ideally, those people who make millions of dollars running large companies make that kind of money because they know how to make their business make that kind of money. I don't make that kind of money, but I'm pretty sure that at least a few of our company partners make some pretty hefty salaries, at least in comparison to mine, but let me tell you; they earn it. If I had their skills, and put in the kind of effort they do, I would expect to make a pretty decent wage, too. And in the business I work in, these guys and gals mostly work on commission. So yeah, it's hard work.
As far as teachers or police officers or whatever "not working as hard", no; I don't believe that. My mom is a teacher. She works her tail off. But she didn't decide to teach for the money. She decided to go into teaching for many reasons, but she didn't go into teaching to get rich. If she wanted to get rich, she would have done something else. Police officers don't join the force in order to get rich; they do it to protect people, to serve their community, or because their dad did it. No one is stopping them from getting an MBA and becoming a business executive. No one but themselves, based upon the things they think are important.
I firmly believe that in this country you can do anything - anything at all - if you put your mind to it and work hard enough for it. Even if you start out with nothing but a pocket full of change, given time you can do anything you want.
Now, as for the fact that some people are less capable than others in general? Well, if that's the case, should it be expected that people who are less capable or less willing to make the required sacrifices to gain the skills/knowledge required, that they should be able to obtain the same benefits at far less cost than those who are capable and willing and have worked their darndest to earn them?
*sigh*. Looters.
Posted by: Emily at October 21, 2008 07:08 AM (jAos7)
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What business is it of yours or the flipping
government's WHAT that rich "jerk" spends
his money on?
It's his money. Meaning he EARNED it. It does not
belong to the federal government. If he wants to
buy a 3rd yacht,so WHAT!
I am pretty sure that good old Will makes some
purchases I would not approve of. Do I get a say?
Do I get to stand at the cash register and say
"Nope! Nope! Nope! Caffeine is EVIL Will! We need
to take that money and give it to the government
and let them spend it on WORTHWHILE things."
If I did that,he'd be outraged. I'd be infringing
on his freedoms.
It's always okay when it's the "Other Guy",huh?
Sheeeeeesh..
Posted by: MaryIndiana at October 21, 2008 08:06 AM (SRyvm)
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Will, honestly. Did you read what you wrote before you posted it?
If a person earns money, it's because someone is willing to pay for whatever it is he/she is willing to do. Fortunately for those of us who have no interest in running a huge corporation, there are those who do it and do it well. Otherwise, all the money people invest in their retirement accounts (which are funded via some of these large companies) wouldn't grow nearly large enough to be of any use.
It is NOT the place of the government to force citizens to give up money they have rightfully earned only to turn around and give it to someone who has NOT earned it. Period.
I could do a helluva lot more good in my community if the politicians in my state and in D.C. would get their grubby mitts off the money I make. I'm a charitable gal, Will, ask anyone. It's hard for me to be that way when I have to work until May or June to pay my tax bill.
THAT'S ridiculous, Will. Just as I don't want anyone telling me what to do with my money, I don't pretend to have the authority or right to tell a wealthy person just exactly how many yachts are enough...because there are a LOT of people who make their money via that one boat purchase.
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 21, 2008 08:17 AM (eb8pN)
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Thank you for all of your feedback.
I'm not sure how regular, decent conservative folk get suckered into believing that the richest .05% aren't waging war against them, but your acceptance of the status quo is mind boggling.
This isn't 1950s America, this is corporate America. This is feudal lords and their plebs America. It's OKAY to realize that the system has failed, and that we need checks against looters who, using their great power, are actively stealing and consolidating wealth for a very small minority.
Honestly, I don't think giving a few tax cuts to the middle class is actually the solution.
We need a whole overall of the beast- this system of corporatism, where independent entrepreneurs and business owners are squashed by powerful mega-giants.
Okay, enough rhetoric.
Here's my solution.
Only allow a business owner to own a business in his or her city/region of residence.
No national franchises.
A return community and the ideal form of capitalism, where businesses and the people that support them and work for them have a beneficial relationship..
Or, go support Walmart and the end of everything... whatver.
Posted by: Will at October 24, 2008 05:39 PM (FE/9Y)
AT LONG LAST
At the Milblogs Conference, during the tribute to our fallen, I mentioned Bunker Mulligan. Or, I tried to: I immediately choked up and barely managed to sob the words out.
It's been three years since the death of a man I never met, and it still hurts that much.
There are just too many things in this country I haven't seen to go wandering around the world looking for more. I still haven't been to the Black Hills, and I want to see Yosemite again. Washington is one of my favorite cities in the entire world--so much to do there. I've been four times and still want more.
I keep trying to plan a road trip from Corpus Christi through Big Bend to Vegas, then back along the northern route to the Grand Canyon, Painted Desert, then back to Corpus across the Llano Estacado and Comanche Country.
There will be time for golf when you get back!
He didn't get to do these things. We didn't get to play golf.
Mike is buried in San Antonio, and I had to see him while I was there. We located his marker and my friends stayed in the car as I got out to pay respects.
The sobbing started even before I saw his name.
I had tried to think of something I could leave there for Mike, but I couldn't come up with anything and was empty handed. My fellow SpouseBUZZ author Toad surprised me with the most perfect idea: he had brought a golf ball and a Sharpie for me.
I left Mike a little note on the golf ball and then sat there and wept.
I still miss him so much.
And I want this blog post to be better, because he deserves better, but I just don't know what else to say.
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Regrets! I lived 45 miles away and never met him in person. It doesn't seem like it has been that long since he left so suddenly.
I must get my husband back to Big Bend. He loves that place. He and our sons are hoping they can make it in February. And we both want to get back to Yosemite. We went to the Black hills summer before last when we made a round trip to the Northwest then home through Mt Rushmore and the Black Hills. When I read Bunker's words it makes it more important that we get to those places we want to go. We are not young like Bunker, we are in our 70's. We are fortunate for the places we have been and seen and that we can go there again. I hope it gave you some peace to have been able to visit Bunker's final resting place.
Posted by: Ruth H at October 19, 2008 05:49 PM (BkiKe)
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I am so excited because I can finally read your blog again, from my new phone only though. Makes commenting slow work! So sorry to read this post. You pay him great honor with this.
Posted by: Darla at October 19, 2008 08:49 PM (hRWl6)
Posted by: Reasa at October 20, 2008 05:10 AM (2W7Iu)
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“And I want this blog post to be better, because he deserves better, but I just don't know what else to say.”
It was beautiful Sarah.
Posted by: tim at October 20, 2008 05:13 AM (nno0f)
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I can't think of any way this post, or your gift, could have been more fitting or any 'better.' {{Hugs}}
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 20, 2008 05:17 AM (eb8pN)
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Sigh. I miss him so much too. It was wonderful to see that you stopped by, though.
It still ticks me off that the folks who snapped up his domain (sadly, we were not monitoring his email accounts when the renewal came up) won't even respond to my offers to buy back the domain. I have a backup of his WordPress database stashed somewhere and have thought often about re-posting his site as a permanent archive, especially as election season has churned on. I suppose I can just post it as a subdomain on one of mine, or some new domain name...
Posted by: Rob L. at October 20, 2008 06:31 PM (Ovyp5)
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Toad's idea was inspired, and you know how much Mike would treasure it. You did him proud, sweetie - really you did.
Posted by: Barb at October 20, 2008 06:50 PM (T4MbB)
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As if Bunker would think (does think) this post is anything other than apt.
Silly wabbit.
Posted by: John of Argghhh! at October 22, 2008 11:12 AM (TZ8PW)
FOUR DAYS AGO CALLED
I'm catching up on some blogs and came across this hilarious post-debate line by Varifrank:
SO - we no longer ask our Presidential candidates any questions that involve the military?
[...]
Three debates and I don't get any answers on these and many other important issues, I get the equivalent of what it feels like to have two used car salesman run back and forth and "ask their manager" if they can get me a "discount on the price for the undercoat" ( an undercoat that I don't want or particularly need, but will be forced to take to get off the car lot with my wits and my wallet mostly intact.)
Heh.
Also, two tax posts, since I just lurve talking about taxes.
One, from Kim du Toit, on what John McCain should say.
Two, some nuts and bolts on the Obama plan from a The Corner reader.
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I AM HERE
I bought Stranger Than Fiction because AWTM liked it. So much of Palahniuk's stuff in this book reminds me of blogging. Take, for example, You Are Here:
Okay, okay, so maybe weÂ’re headed down a road toward mindless, self-obsessed lives where every event is reduced to words and camera angles. Every moment imagined through the lens of a cinematographer. Every funny or sad remark scribbled down for sale at the first opportunity.
A world Socrates couldnÂ’t imagine, where people would examine their lives, but only in terms of movie and paperback potential.
Where a story no longer follows as the result of an experience.
Now the experience happens in order to generate a story.
Sort of like when you suggest: “Let’s not but say we did.”
The story—the product you can sell—becomes more important than the actual event.
One danger is, we might hurry through life, enduring event after event, in order to build our list of experiences. Our stock of stories. And our hunger for stories might reduce our awareness of the actual experience. In the way we shut down after watching too many action-adventure movies. Our body chemistry can’t tolerate the stimulation. Or we unconsciously defend ourselves by pretending not to be present, by acting as a detached “witness” or reporter to our own life. And by doing that, never feeling an emotion or really participating. Always weighing what the story will be worth in cold cash.
That is how a hardcore blogger lives. Every life experience is seen through the lens of how it's going to be blogged. Everything is a vignette, put out there for all to read. And while you're living the joy or sorrow of a situation, in the back of your mind you're also composing the blog post about it.
It's a way to process. A way, like Palahniuk says, to step outside the situation a little and view it as a "detached 'witness.'"
Posted by: FbL at October 18, 2008 07:22 PM (HwqvF)
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Damn. Just, damn.
Go hang with Carren. Her fertile myrtle genes should rub off on you.
Of course, the fun is in the trying, as it doesn't involve diapers. Okay, there was that one time, but I'm not supposed to talk about that.
After today, You could have one of ours, if you like.
--Chuck
Posted by: Chuck at October 18, 2008 07:23 PM (q4psF)
Posted by: Susan at October 19, 2008 10:30 AM (IfQM3)
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Crap. I wanted to be there this weekend to hold your hand & hug you. My presence honestly was needed at my sister-in-law's wedding this weekend...when you're ready for a good laugh I have some stories.
Love you, chica.
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 19, 2008 11:42 AM (eb8pN)
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i checked in tonight quick because i was thinking of you and wondering when you would know. apparently you know now and it's one more time for you to have to say "it's not my time". i'm so sorry. uh, and on top of it all, i forgot to say happy birthday
Posted by: Kate at October 19, 2008 03:23 PM (576n8)
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I second the damn motion. I share your row boat on this. Oh how you know I do. I'm still sorry. btw that quote totally hits the nail on the head about us hard core ones too.
Posted by: DARLA at October 19, 2008 08:55 PM (hRWl6)
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Is it hyperbole to remind people that historically, democracies have a life span and weÂ’ve exceeded the average?
(Note to self: must buy stock in liquor companies ‘cause it’s gonn’a be a LONG 4/8 yrs.)
Posted by: tim at October 16, 2008 08:42 AM (nno0f)
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I thought this was interesting, and thought you might, too:
http://www.zombietime.com/lefts_big_blunder/
Posted by: Emily at October 16, 2008 09:07 AM (jAos7)
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I'm just hoping the silent majority – you know, the ones who have a head on their shoulders and understand what this country is about – rise up and vote for McCain.
I'm thinking it's time to get my husband his gun, concealed carry permit, and stock up on ammo. I have my trusty shotgun, which also needs ammo.
Sort of off-topic, will you be going to the Tacoma SpouseBuzz, too? 'Cause my husband (Sig) and I will be there!
Posted by: Deltasierra at October 16, 2008 09:11 AM (il0E1)
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That's what I'm talking about. I feel like we are swimming upstream in jello and the world I am leaving to my children and grandchildren (and that new baby of yours!) is so unlike the one I've lived in. I am so sad for that, you cannot imagine how it makes me feel that my generation has failed. We hear a lot about the Nazi's but there were and are, and will be many forms of fascism. Last night we were cheered by John McCain's coming alive, but with all that my husband just kept saying about Obama, Mussolini, Mussolini. Look him up. He was voted in, didn't get in with a Putz like Hitler or Stalin. We are in scary times. But the Anchoress cheers me. She has a good spirit , I wish I did.
PS One of my kids and his family live in San Antonio.
Posted by: Ruth H at October 16, 2008 10:06 AM (BkiKe)
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Enjoy your time in TX! Wish I were going to be there!!
Call me if you want/need.
I think the phone conference w/AWTM and me is a good idea still.
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 16, 2008 02:30 PM (eb8pN)
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Emily,
Thanks for the zombietime article. It's given a lot to think about until Sarah posts from San Antonio (I can't wait!), and its lessons will remain relevant long after the election is over.
Posted by: Amritas at October 16, 2008 03:54 PM (HWSu7)
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I've said it before:
Once the gummint starts to bribe the citizenry with their own money, and the citizenry is either too lazy or too stupid to care or realize it we, as a republic, are doomed.
we are so doomed.
Posted by: Chuck Z at October 17, 2008 02:33 AM (bQVIy)
Mr. Murtha said it has taken time for the state's voters embrace a black presidential candidate.
"There's no question Western Pennsylvania is a racist area," said Mr. Murtha, whose district stretches from Johnstown to Washington County. "The older population is more hesitant."
Hogwash. My grandparents live right over the border in small-town Western New York. My 83-year-old grandmother is most likely voting for Obama.
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Politics aside - I'm not saying his comments are complete hogwash but I think there is an element of truth to what he said. I have relatives in Western PA and there is a bit of rascist sentiment among the older generations. After spending time talking to people on visits up there, I'm almost floored at the comments that come out of people's mouths in this day and age. I'm not saying that this is widespread - only that I've heard rascist comments from many a person up in that region.
Posted by: Slightly Salty at October 15, 2008 11:44 AM (GX+J9)
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I don't know if Murtha is right or not, but there seems to be an assumption that whiter areas are more racist. Although that could be true, I've also seen the opposite. Racism is everywhere.
On a more positive note, I read this article yesterday:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/14/america/14race.php
Blacks account for less than 1 percent of the population in this small suburban district near the Massachusetts border. But none of that seemed to matter to the people here [when a black candidate was campaigning for re-election] ...
Political analysts say such electoral gains are quietly changing the political landscape, increasing the number of black lawmakers adept at crossing color lines as well as the ranks of white voters who are familiar, and increasingly comfortable, with black political leadership ...In 2007, about 30 percent of the nation's 622 black state legislators represented predominantly white districts, up from about 16 percent in 2001 ...
Sadly, there is some ugly racism (is there any other kind?) on page 2.
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 12:58 PM (+nV09)
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Ah yes, it must be racism thatÂ’s the reason the people of Pennsylvania wonÂ’t be voting for Obama. Yea, yea thatÂ’s it. It couldnÂ’t be because of his condescending remarks about them clinging to their guns and religion or any of his liberal/socialist views or his questionable associations orÂ…Nope, racism Â…thatÂ’s it.
Just like the Marines in Haditha were cold blooded killers right Jack?
By the way Murtha, what percentage of blacks are voting for McCain? No, let’s not go there, ‘cause we all know blacks aren’t racist. Yup, glad I never encountered any of that growing up in the city…going to a predominately black high school…
JackASS Murtha, hope your gone soon which isn't soon enough.
Posted by: tim at October 16, 2008 04:32 AM (nno0f)
Here's the political catch. All but the clean car credit would be "refundable," which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer -- a federal check -- from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this "welfare," or in George McGovern's 1972 campaign a "Demogrant." Mr. Obama's genius is to call it a tax cut.
The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year.
We're so far from the concept of a "safety net" here that it's sickening. And there's more, as The String Beans say:
There's another catch: Because Mr. Obama's tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge "marginal" tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income.
Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of "making work pay," but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you're a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery -- among many -- of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama's 95% illusion to go unanswered.
So both poor and rich people have a "disincentive to working harder" under the Obama tax plan. Boy, that sounds like a winner for the future of America.
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It's amazing to me the basic lack of understanding even the candidate has regarding economics and basic things like capital gains taxes. He was blathering on the other day in Toledo about small businesses, capital gains taxes and such but the promise of doing away with capital gains taxes in the small business scenario he described wasn't such a great give since they don't exist in that scenario anyhow.
Remarkable.
But, just the kind of pretty face/happy talk the American people seem to be super in love with at the moment.
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 15, 2008 03:37 AM (eb8pN)
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But he's just wants to "spread the wealth"! What's wrong with that? (said very sarcastically)
Posted by: Jenni at October 15, 2008 04:25 AM (1vAo5)
3We're so far from the concept of a "safety net" here that it's sickening.
Could you clarify this sentence? At first, I thought you were saying that Obama's plan is too inadequate to be a "safety net," but knowing you, that seems, um, unlikely.
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 08:09 AM (+nV09)
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Oh. And another thing while I'm at it. He gave a mumbo jumbo answer to a plumber in my state that has made it onto the national news more than once regarding what his tax plans would do to help this guy. Unfortunately for those industrial or tradespeople losing their jobs who may have the ability to start their own businesses, doing so will likely have a huge chunk of taxes attached to it such that it won't even be worth it to launch your own business.
And, please, can someone say out loud that by punishing large companies for earning profits, our retirement accounts suffer? Can someone do that? I don't know...maybe MCCAIN in the debate tonight!?
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 15, 2008 08:45 AM (eb8pN)
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Amritas -- What I meant was that the idea of the government helping people financially has always been called a "safety net": a little bit of help to get them back on their feet so they can start being successful again. But now we're at the point where the government is literally just cutting checks to people for no good reason, taking money from one guy's earnings and handing it over to another, just for existing.
I know that the connection is tenuous, but I have had several discussions in the past week about the meaning of the "safety net" and so it's at the front of my mind.
Posted by: Sarah at October 15, 2008 09:14 AM (TWet1)
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Sarah,
Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't find the term "safety net" in the WSJ article and was wondering why you brought it up. Not that I don't think it's relevant - it is.
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 10:11 AM (+nV09)
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